\nRather than rehash the proving out of this complex puzzle, here is the actual discussion, which I had at the Queens New York Genealogy group on Facebook.<\/p>\n
Matt Hannan
\nNovember 9, 2016 \u00b7 Attleboro, MA
\nAre there city directories available online for Queens in, say, the 1890s? Right now I am targeting Astoria, but I would eventually like to look through Winfield and Maspeth, too.
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Michael C Carragher Matt Hannan Matt Hannan Hide 13 Replies<\/p>\n Michael C Carragher Matt Hannan Matt Hannan Matt Hannan Michael C Carragher Matt Hannan Michael C Carragher Matt Hannan Michael C Carragher Matt Hannan Matt Hannan Matt Hannan Carol Kennedy Matt Hannan Matt Hannan Matt Hannan Michael C Carragher Matt Hannan Matt Hannan Matt Hannan<\/p>\n David J Dean Obituary, 1897<\/p><\/div>\n Like \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 1 \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 7:56pm<\/p>\n Michael C Carragher Michael C Carragher Matt Hannan Matt Hannan Edward Atkinson and Elenora Loftus Marriage record, 1892<\/p><\/div>\n Like \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 1 \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 8:36pm<\/p>\n Matt Hannan Maria Loftus-Atkinson Death record, 1936<\/p><\/div>\n Like \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 1 \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 9:03pm \u00b7 Edited<\/p>\n Michael C Carragher<\/p>\n Bayside House<\/p><\/div>\n Like \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 10:02pm<\/p>\n Michael C Carragher<\/p>\n Bayside House<\/p><\/div>\n Like \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 10:02pm<\/p>\n Michael C Carragher Matt Hannan John Atkinson Birth Record Index, 1893<\/p><\/div>\n Like \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 8:39pm<\/p>\n Matt Hannan 1900 US Census<\/p><\/div>\n Like \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 8:41pm<\/p>\n Matt Hannan 1904, Sign Shop for Sale<\/p><\/div>\n Like \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 8:43pm<\/p>\n Matt Hannan 1896 shop ad<\/p><\/div>\n Like \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 8:46pm<\/p>\n Matt Hannan<\/p>\n 1896 shop ad<\/p><\/div>\n Like \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 8:47pm<\/p>\n Matt Hannan Matt Hannan Ann Loftus-Keys Death Record Index, 1935<\/p><\/div>\n Like \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 8:58pm<\/p>\n Since then, I have received the birth record of Maria and William\u2019s oldest child. We decedents have always known him as David T. Atkinson, but this record shows that this is not the name he was given at birth: John Atkinson. I doubt that he knew this himself.<\/p>\n John was the name of William\u2019s father. During whatever the issue was that caused this family to split, they changed the name of John the child to David.<\/p>\n John, aka David, Atkinson<\/p><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" In an effort to clear my desk fo at least one piece of paper, I am going to write this blog post about my mother’s, mother’s father, David T. Atkinson Sr. At least, that is what he thought his name … Continue reading
\nNew York Public Library Digitizes 137 Years of New York City Directories<\/a>
\nNew York Public Library is digitizing its collection of\u2026
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\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 9, 2016 at 9:34pm<\/p>\n
\nYowza! Thank you!!!!
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 1 \u00b7 November 9, 2016 at 9:36pm<\/p>\n
\nThat was a great help. I traced my man back each year from 1900 (cross refed with Census) to 1896 City Directory. He does not appear in 1895 City Directory. If he is there, he was doing a different job than from 1896 until his death in 1925…and he is lost within the other dozen or so with the same name. At this point, however, he was in Manhattan and, according to 1900 Census, married an Irish girl in 1893. Any suggestions on how to trace them from 1896 to 1893? I an having no luck finding the marriage record.
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 11, 2016 at 1:39pm<\/p>\n
\nYou checked index at German<\/a> or Italian genealogy groups?
\n(Same database)
\nThe German Genealogy Group (GGG) is a not for profit organization established in early 1996…
\nWe invite any person interested in researching their Germanic heritage to join the German Genealogy Group and share experiences with those who range from beginners to professional genealogists.
\nGERMANGENEALOGYGROUP.COM
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 11, 2016 at 1:50pm<\/p>\n
\nI am very familiar with the Italian Genealogy site. I’ll take a look at this German one now. Thanks for your help! This guy is a long-standing brick wall for me and I am trying to amass enough details on him that the wall falls of its own accord. \ud83d\ude09 He was born in Maryland just prior to the start of their keeping birth records.
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 11, 2016 at 1:53pm<\/p>\n
\nAh. Looks like same database. Let me fill in some details for you. Go to either the German site or the Italian one and search on Brides. Enter Loftus for her maiden name and 1892 as a year. Elenora Loftus pops up. Clicking the G for Groom, you find she married Edward Atkinson. These two are a decent place to start for me, but the names are not a match. My bride is known as Maria Loftus, but she is listed as Maria E. on the 1925 Census. E for Elenora? And my groom is William Edward Atkinson, not Edward Atkinson. Still, transcription errors do occur, so I sent off for this record. I have it here next to me and it is Edward and Elenora. What is killing me is that the groom is listed as being born in Maryland! And both sets of parents are listed. Elenora is listed as having been born in NY, but her parents were Irish…her mother’s name is Maria. They are both listed as living in Astoria, but they were married by a Minister who lived at 106 E. 123rd St in Manhattan. 1896 City Directory finds my groom living at 221 E. 127th.
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 1 \u00b7 November 11, 2016 at 2:08pm<\/p>\n
\nThere is so much info pointing at this being them, but nothing I claim as an exact match.
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 1 \u00b7 November 11, 2016 at 2:08pm<\/p>\n
\ndo you know the church and have the marriage certificate from them?
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 11, 2016 at 4:32pm<\/p>\n
\nI don’t. I only recently received the official marriage record. Google Maps shows that the address of the minister was a four minute walk from the address they would live in in 1900. It has to be my people. It is a tough neighborhood to get to from Astoria. I was looking at a 1895 map and it shows an Astoria Ferry, but it landed pretty far south of where they settled. Interestingly, they moved back to Queens in the Twentieth Century.
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 11, 2016 at 5:45pm<\/p>\n
\nDoes it say religion?
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 11, 2016 at 5:55pm<\/p>\n
\nNo, but it says “Minister”. As far as we can tell, we’ve always been RC, so “Minister” stood out. No churches presently exist anywhere near the minister’s address. NYC has changed a bit in 110 years. \ud83d\ude09
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 11, 2016 at 6:10pm \u00b7 Edited<\/p>\n
\nMinister does stand out I think too. Google the ministers name and\/or address and see if anything comes up
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 11, 2016 at 6:09pm<\/p>\n
\nGood idea. Thanks for your assistance.
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 1 \u00b7 November 11, 2016 at 6:12pm<\/p>\n
\nThis guy had some handwriting. It is not good. While looking for letters to compare, I noticed that one of the last names of the witnesses is the same scrawl as the minister’s last name. These same names appear on the second page (We, the Groom and Bride, hereby certify that the info is correct…) and “E. Scrawl” becomes “Elizabeth Scrawl”, so the minister’s daughter or wife (more likely, I think). Also, I took a look through the 1892 (year of marriage) City Directory for the other witness, David J. Dean. He’s a lawyer. My man was a life-long carpenter. What do you think this lawyer was doing there as a witness to the wedding? There may not be a church record. The lawyer practiced at someplace called Tryon Row, but he lived at 338 Lenox Ave, which is no more than a few blocks from the minister’s house. I am starting to get the sense that this was a quickie wedding and I need to double-check the DoB of the first born son. Interesting…
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 1 \u00b7 November 11, 2016 at 8:42pm<\/p>\n
\nSafe there. The first child did not arrive until 1895. Doesn’t mean she did not lose a previous baby, but I have no evidence of that so far. When I started this, I knew only as far back as 1900 (US Census), which provided some guesses on dates previous. The estimate was “1893” for the marriage year. This new record is 30 Oct 1892. Looking at the location of the lawyer and the location of the husband’s work place, these guys almost certainly knew each other. Am I fooling myself into thinking that these are my people? Here is a map I put together. It starts in “Astoria” in 1892 and follows them through to 1940.
\nAtkinson-Loftus<\/a>
\nTracking the Atkinson-Loftus clan across NYC
\nGOOGLE.COM
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 Remove Preview \u00b7 1 \u00b7 November 11, 2016 at 9:54pm<\/p>\n
\nMany times Ancestry has the wrong spelling. Don’t know if that is a program you use, but please be aware of this.
\nUnlike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 1 \u00b7 November 12, 2016 at 10:30am<\/p>\n
\nSo, this morning I looked at the Google Maps Street View for the address listed for my man’s work location. It is presently a a small Baptist Church. Born in Maryland…married by a Minister…worked as a carpenter for several years at a Baptist church… More and more things are adding up.
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 1 \u00b7 November 12, 2016 at 10:37am<\/p>\n
\nAs I said, I had lost sight of my man in the directories. I am still coming to terms with these documents. Are there more than one put out per year? Tonight I took a quick peek before going to bed, and I found a Wm Atkinson, carpenter, at 492 E 48th in the 1896-1897. This made no sense to me. It is obviously not Astoria, is too far down the island for every other address I have for the guy, and I seem to already have a record of him living at 221 E. 127th in 1897. Then I looked for my mystery Edward. Edw’d Atkinson, carpenter, 104 W 127th! LINK UP at the Baptist Church!!!! I wish I had looked earlier. I need to go back through these directories again and make sure about the dates and names of the editions. This one was Trow’s City Directory. Sadly, I need to go to bed and work in the morning.
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 14, 2016 at 10:30pm<\/p>\n
\nThe marriage record has been validated! I found the missing death record for the bride. It listed the same two parents. This has caused two brick walls to come down. I’m pretty much lost in Maryland (groom’s stomping grounds), but have been having decent luck in NY. In discussing all of tjis with my mom, she confirmed there was a house in Bayside that was bought just before the Depression. It was lost by tbe end of it. This is the address where the bride died in 1936. My mom’s input explains why I can’t ID the folks living there on the 1940 Census (and the enumerator,of course, lied about the 1935 question). How can I search street directories by address and not name?
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 1 \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 3:30pm \u00b7 Edited<\/p>\n
\nNYPL Direct Me NYC: 1940<\/a>
\nNYPL Direct Me NYC: 1940
\nDIRECTME.NYPL.ORG
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 1 \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 5:36pm<\/p>\n
\nThat is fantastic! I knew that someone else must have tackled this problem before. This looks a bit more fun than the Steve Morse route.
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 1 \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 8:22pm \u00b7 Edited<\/p>\n
\nBTW, this story has been nuts. Looks like the groom was a Baptist who married an Irish Catholic girl 11 years his junior. The marriage record looks like an elopement. It was witnessed by David J. Dean and the minister’s wife, and the bride and groom used their middle names instead of their given names. 13 months later, a baby boy is born and named John in honor of the groom’s father. This is 1892 to 1893. On the 1900 Census, John is now known as David T. It is starting to look like this might be the bride’s eldest brother’s name. I’m thinking that the parents back in Maryland did not approve of the marriage and disowned the groom. The couple remained devoted Catholics the rest of their lives.
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 8:16pm \u00b7 Edited<\/p>\n![\"David](\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/matthannan.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/04\/1897_DavidJDean_Obit.jpg?resize=401%2C1745&ssl=1\")
\nWoodlawn Cemetery have a good response to genealogists
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 8:15pm<\/p>\n
\nYou have to pay a fee but they’ll tell you if they have info
\nUnlike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 1 \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 8:16pm<\/p>\n
\nJust found the Bayside address on the 1930 Census. My people are not there. I don’t suppose Queens County has a Deeds database online, does it? That might be asking a bit too much out of this.
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 8:35pm<\/p>\n
\nHere is the original marriage record that started this whole quest.<\/p>\n![\"Edward](\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dl.dropboxusercontent.com\/s\/xr5qka75qduft1n\/1892_EdwardAtkinson-ElenoraLoftus_MarriageRecord1.png?resize=640%2C890&ssl=1\")
\nHere is the death record for the bride. It lists her name as known to us descendants, but also the same names for her parents as the marriage record. I am loving FamilySearch these days.<\/p>\n![\"Maria](\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dl.dropboxusercontent.com\/s\/dx86q0e7lx36hf6\/1936_MariaLoftus-Atkinson_DeathCert.png?resize=640%2C708&ssl=1\")
![\"Bayside](\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dl.dropboxusercontent.com\/s\/s5gwhqejjotos26\/Bayside1.jpg?resize=539%2C960&ssl=1\")
![\"Bayside](\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dl.dropboxusercontent.com\/s\/4da0ezre7kc1pwh\/Bayside2.jpg?resize=539%2C960&ssl=1\")
\nObviously remodeled. I grew up a few minutes from here
\nUnlike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 1 \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 10:03pm \u00b7 Edited<\/p>\n
\nFrom the marriage record, you can see the groom’s father’s name. Here is the birth record for the first son born to our happy couple. Keep an eye on that DoB.<\/p>\n![\"John](\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dl.dropboxusercontent.com\/s\/v8a7obln79wfkob\/1893_JohnAkinson_Birth_FS.jpg?resize=640%2C333&ssl=1\")
\nHere is the 1900 Census for the family. The address is 1844 Park Ave, which is less than two blocks from where the husband worked (104 W 127th). Look at the name of the oldest son and his DoB.<\/p>\n![\"1900](\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dl.dropboxusercontent.com\/s\/lkdfwu1trmpnbxl\/1900_USCensus.jpg?resize=640%2C178&ssl=1\")
\nThe husband is known on every document that I can find as being a carpenter. Here is a snippet I found for the address of his work.<\/p>\n![\"1904,](\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dl.dropboxusercontent.com\/s\/du101dgs4smwwll\/1904_SignShopForSale.png?resize=592%2C245&ssl=1\")
\nAnd a couple others from 1896.<\/p>\n![\"1896](\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dl.dropboxusercontent.com\/s\/y65kcb37zlh42z5\/1896_shop1.jpg?resize=640%2C93&ssl=1\")
![\"1896](\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dl.dropboxusercontent.com\/s\/xilflke0hr49d9p\/1896_shop2.jpg?resize=640%2C120&ssl=1\")
\nDavid J. Dean’s house is long since gone and is now a church. 104 W 127 looks to be the same structure, but it is now also a church. You could throw a rock from one to the other across Malcolm X Blvd (Lenox Ave).
\nLike \u00b7 Reply \u00b7 November 17, 2016 at 8:49pm<\/p>\n
\nHaving the parents verified, I was able to turn up a number of birth records in Ireland with the same parent names. They run a span from 1857 to 1876, so I am doubting it is the same family. One of the sisters I was able to validate, as she died at an address that was already known to me. We call it “the Winfield house”. I located her and her husband on the 1930 Census living there. They were always just “the other tenants” to me. Amazing stuff.<\/p>\n![\"Ann](\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/dl.dropboxusercontent.com\/s\/s19d869d76poomf\/1935_AnnLoftus-Keys_DeathIndex.jpg?resize=640%2C648&ssl=1\")
![\"1893,](\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/matthannan.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/04\/1893_JohnAtkinson_BirthRecord.png?resize=225%2C300&ssl=1\")
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